Laminate flooring, orientation, transitions and entrance-way

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mdnagel
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Soon I'll be needing to account for the transition strips, the spacing. In the first bedroom I'm parallel to the opening and have only to drop in a last piece. But... for the master bedroom I'll be running perpendicular and will need to continue on past it (along the back wall and into the closet).

I'm not sure what sort of total gap that I'd need to accommodate the expansion for both flooring sections and the t-strip. The laminates call for 5/16" to 3/8" for expansion. The t-strip will need a sufficient amount of "meat" to run the screws through, and then will need a sufficient span over the expansion gaps and for covering over on to the laminates. Greg, I think that you said that 1x2s work, but adding up everything would seem to present only about 1/4" overlap onto the top of the laminates, which doesn't seem sufficient to me. I'm kind of wondering whether I shouldn't be looking at 1x3s (assuming that I can find them, in oak).
How I'm figuring the two flooring sections would come together, and the required spacing between them.
How I'm figuring the two flooring sections would come together, and the required spacing between them.
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Looking down at the laminate with the MB door closed.  Ever so slight glimpse of edge, but that would be covered up with t-strip (which would also tend to protrude into the room, perhaps up to the door jam molding).
Looking down at the laminate with the MB door closed. Ever so slight glimpse of edge, but that would be covered up with t-strip (which would also tend to protrude into the room, perhaps up to the door jam molding).
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Looking down at the laminate from outside the MB, with the MB door closed.  Ever so slight glimpse of edge (view is angled out a bit), but that would be covered up with t-strip.
Looking down at the laminate from outside the MB, with the MB door closed. Ever so slight glimpse of edge (view is angled out a bit), but that would be covered up with t-strip.
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Regarding running parallel to the t-strip, I'll need to do this in the hallway adjacent to the other bedroom. Seems to me that I'd end up having to cut a really small/narrow piece offsetting past the hallway wall an into the doorway. Is this standard procedure, or is there something else I should be doing in order to take this into account? I'd hate to have to rip boards on both sides of the hallway in order to present wider pieces such that they'd protrude into the doorways/jambs.
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Here is a better picture of what I made. The "T" is about 1/4" wide.
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...But given the kind of day I had yesterday remodeling our bath, I may not be the best one to ask for advise. Can you say OH CRAP!!!
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mdnagel
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What's going on there?

Lucky you, you can actually see the tops of your counters! :-) (I've got stuff piled everywhere from my recent/on-going move)

BTW - Seeing as I'm in a hurry to get the flooring down everything conspired against me today! After fishing out something my wife dropped down the kitchen sink (and my attempts at plugging the no-longer-used dishwasher drain, resulting in me having to pull out the drain pipes for a second time!), clearing about a foot of snow from one half of the circular driveway (I got my wife's car stuck at the entrance to the drive when I got home from work late last night) using the tractor, which was very slow to get moving after sitting idle for several months) and knocking snow/ice off the gutters, I managed to get 5 minutes of time on the floor before having to head in to work! Yup, one row down and starting on another (work stopped since my wife was doing conference calls and I couldn't run the saw). At this pace it'll take me a month! (and I've got about three days to complete it) Keeping my fingers crossed that the pipes in the pump house don't freeze...
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Lil bit of a break in the counter top huh? Sorry you had a bad day. Tomorrow is always better right? Good luck!
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Decided to keep plywood over the cabinet until sheetrock is done. I was trying to keep the bathroom functional, but that's not happening.

I know about conspiracy problems, I took the week off thinking I could work alone and get things done. The wife has been sick the last three weeks, (more antibiotics in her than most drug stores stock) it seems like every time I turn around what I need has been "put away" or cleaned up. I know she is trying to help but I finally told her to quit, I'll call if I need help.

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mdnagel
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Finally! Master bedroom done! (except transition pieces) Nice to be sleeping in the "final resting spot" :lol:

Here are some pictures:
(short) Hallway to MB bath.
(short) Hallway to MB bath.
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Closet.
Closet.
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Spot the spacer! (couldn't pull it by hand!)
Spot the spacer! (couldn't pull it by hand!)
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Now to the den... (will make separate post)
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The den and it's (near) 45 degree angled entrance. Picture shows my two options for expansion/transition strips.

Straight across would mean that I'd have over 2 feet of "rise" (rise over run) to try to handle not one, but two sides of the flooring such that I don't end up with small pieces right at the strip.
Thin strip represents the expansion/transition strip.  To the left is the den.  Above the laminate is the living room.  Behind the ruler (bottom) is the hallway.
Thin strip represents the expansion/transition strip. To the left is the den. Above the laminate is the living room. Behind the ruler (bottom) is the hallway.
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Other option is to square things off, using two transition pieces joined 90 degrees inside the den.
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Looking toward the den (from living room area).  Hallway to the upper left.
Looking toward the den (from living room area). Hallway to the upper left.
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mdnagel
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I opted not to go with squaring things out and instead went with angled cuts. It was a pain because I had to flip over the planks in order to cut them on my saw. Will post pictures later. Back to playing with the leveling compound in the living room...
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I know that everyone has been holding their breath waiting for me to post pictures of my completed den... :lol:
Leveling completed.  Had to re-cut the sub floor around the heating duct because the original wasn't lined up and they'd stretched the heck out of the duct and "resolved" things with LOTS of staples!  I hope people that do shoddy work like this learn and improve, or stop doing it!
Leveling completed. Had to re-cut the sub floor around the heating duct because the original wasn't lined up and they'd stretched the heck out of the duct and "resolved" things with LOTS of staples! I hope people that do shoddy work like this learn and improve, or stop doing it!
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I probably made things more difficult than they needed to be, but I try to be cautious knowing that I'll error somewhere along the line: hopefully I've got enough planning in that any such error ends up being trivial, otherwise I'll make sure it's a doozy!
I probably made things more difficult than they needed to be, but I try to be cautious knowing that I'll error somewhere along the line: hopefully I've got enough planning in that any such error ends up being trivial, otherwise I'll make sure it's a doozy!
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"Finished" product!  Must have been snowing in the house, no idea where those white spots came from!
"Finished" product! Must have been snowing in the house, no idea where those white spots came from!
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White spots are dust particles, with a camera & flask they will look huge. Trust me, some of the pictures of our daughter's rehab look like a blizzard.

Looks great!! Are we having fun yet??

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mdnagel
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Thanks Greg! Many thanks to you and all the others here for helping keep my motivation up. I'll be doing a pour in the dining room this morning (hoping I have enough leveler!) and hope that this will be the last of it! Dining room has required a lot more precision due to the fact that it will be tying together the hallway and living room too.
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I survived! Finished laying laminates (well, OK, I have a couple of pieces to put down in a doorway to a back bedroom, and I need to do the transitions, and one day I'll do moldings, but basically I'm done with the flooring). Had lots of doubts whether I could get the floor level/straight enough, especially a big issue with a high spot just outside the den (which didn't seem to be solvable via adjusting support jacks). Running the flooring the full 24' width of the home (living room through dining room) I was off a shy 1/4". And tying three "rooms" together, well... not sure if I'll try That again! So, here are close enough to completed pics.
Taken from the dining room, looking at the den and hallway.  Living room to the right (top of dog at the bottom :-) )  The focal point was the "convergence" zone (outside of den, living room, hallway and dining room), and the most messed up (hard to correct) part of flooring in the entire home!
Taken from the dining room, looking at the den and hallway. Living room to the right (top of dog at the bottom :-) ) The focal point was the "convergence" zone (outside of den, living room, hallway and dining room), and the most messed up (hard to correct) part of flooring in the entire home!
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From the edge of the kitchen.
From the edge of the kitchen.
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View from just outside of den.
View from just outside of den.
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mdnagel
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Some more pictures...
From this:
From this:
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To this:
To this:
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Hallway, with the supervisor :-)
Hallway, with the supervisor :-)
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Wow. You paid a lot of attention to the details and it paid off. I can't wait to see more projects as you complete them. Your fixer has come a long way in short time. I reread this thread to find out the floor product is Costco 8mil laminate. What's the color name?
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